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Just threw something up there for now. We'll need to work out the Gear Scores for the progression raids (guess I have another add-on to download). AND, I'm sure we'll have to tweek the qualification numbers as we progress.

I'll be shopping for gearscore addons, I'll certainly be checking this out bud :) Thanks as always :)

According to our last debate...

1) gearscore is important because it shows they have good gear, and if we pick a number we feel makes them worthy of ICC progression runs, then it is a gearscore that makes them worthy of our ICC progression runs.  And if it doesn't?  Sounds like our bar wasn't set high enough, or they just aren't talented raiders.  It is my understanding gearscore also takes into account enchants and gemming.

2) DPS on the target dummy indicates they have a mastery of their rotation, and is SOME indication of talent -- pretty much the baseline of talent.  If you haven't mastered your DPS rotation... your DPS will always suck regardless and has no chance of being good.

But... the point of a progression run is to beat bosses we've never beaten before.  Therefore... to beat bosses they have no experience beating... or possibly no experience trying.  To partially base the invite to the progression run upon whether you've beaten the farmable or nearly farmable bosses in no way indicates that experience will aid beating the unbeaten bosses.  It merely indicates they've done bosses we HAVE beaten before and if by the rare chance there is a boss that shares a similar a mechanic, then yes... maybe in that case, but typically... shared mechanics aren't to common within the same raid instance.  So to use this as criteria really boils down to rewarding those who've spent more time in ICC by giving them a greater chance to get into the progression runs more.

In a nutshell, there is nothing about beating the first 4 bosses for example, that helps to prepare you for beating the 5 boss other than getting gear from them.  Their mechanics are different.  So, since we're concerned about our progression raids having good gear... and they will probably need SOME ICC to qualify, the gearscore requirement and a stiff stat requirement naturally will require they have a lot of 251 and 264 gear to attend.

Seriously, other than having hopefully all of Marrowgar's gear for your toon, has the experience of killing him 17 times prepared you to handle the mechanics of Putricide?  I think not.  I veto this suggestion as I did before :(

And, if too many people can get into an ICC raid progression raid who are considered unqualified but somehow meet the gearscore and stat requirements, then we just need to raise the standard to truely skim the cream of the crop.  Seriously... nobody has even submitted gear score suggestions.  So they are submitted, we can't even say we've given this new progression chart a chance.  So no point in adjusting numbers just yet.

If we were to consider anything with this line of thought, since progression raids are about the NEW unbeaten bosses, then perhaps you guys can make everyone watch the video before trying the boss when you get to them?  It seems you're partially concerned about someone knowing the boss?

You gotta keep in mind... and I think this is really what we're dancing around here... some people just aren't that good at raiding and quickly adapting to new boss mechanics.  That's something we shouldn't try to quantify for raid qualification in this guild.  Can you imagine, "Sucks Rating of 3 or more can't come."

Eventually... we need to stop reading into this stuff.  And say enough is enough, and lets work with what we've got.